Let's talk about voting while left....

from Beau.

From me: In the science of revolution, there is a theory that to make the system collapse, you must make it mean enough for the population to start resisting. I think we are there already in enough force to kill the GOP, but not capitalism. You cannot vote in real revolution. 

The best you can vote in is social democracy. We have the basics, it is just not as effective as in Norway or Denmark. The reason it is clunky is race and class, which is why getting rid of the GOP is needed.

For workers to actually gain control of the means of production and fire the owners and their CEO team (which may be the true owners in many companies) is for workers to be asked the right questions and offer better options on production, consumption and finance and to introduce tax policies to make it better for the rich to go along than the current tax system. Think asset value added taxes zero rated for ESOP sales of public (not just private) stock. Right now, most ESOPs are no better than social democracy.